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Author: MScott
Date: 2024-05-16 15:57
Hi,
I’ve been booked for a Clarinet Quintet programme with my ensemble and they have specifically requested the ‘Meyerbeer Clarinet Quintet’ among others.
To cut to the chase, there appears to be a disputed ‘missing middle movement’. Does anyone know where I can find the parts for this missing bit?
You can find parts omitting this movement on IMSLP and from Silvertrust Editions - which from what I have heard tend to just take public domain scores not in print and publish them as is. There was apparently another edition from around the 1980s (I think) which included this movement, but I can’t find them and not sure where to look.
With programme length I would like to include this movement if possible, despite the uncertainty around its authenticity.
If no one can find it, does anyone know where I might investigate further? Any libraries that have Meyerbeer manuscripts etc?
The concert date is in discussion for next year so I have time to find it, but if they want to permanently fix everything in the programme now I need to let them know as it will impact programme length.
Here’s some info from Silvertrust Editions website:
“Just how many movements the Quintet has is the subject of some dispute. The work was not published during Meyerbeer's lifetime. A handwritten copy of the score was found among the papers of Bärmann's son Carl upon his death in 1885. It only had two movements--an Allegro moderato and a Rondo, allegro scherzando--although it could be argued that the second movement was two movements in one in that there is a lengthy adagio section to be found in the middle of the allegro scherzando. The work was published in the fashion. In the 1980's, the famous clarinetist Dieter Klöcker claimed to have found "the missing middle movement", an andante and set of variations, in the form of a set of parts on which Carl Bärmann had written that the music had been composed by Meyerbeer for his father. The work was subsequently published with this new movement. However since then, a number of scholars have disputed Klöcker's claim for several reasons, the chief among these being that it is unlikely an entirel movement would have been completely left out of a score and that it was quite possible Meyerbeer had intended this music as a separate work. Weber had done something similar. Hence our new edition, which follows the autograph score, does not include this "new" movement.”
You can listen to a complete recording from Dieter Klöcker including this middle movement here:
https://youtu.be/Y4uBUVgQqp8?si=2xEJBBcEOiSVItdl
Fingers crossed someone here sees this post and may know something - this is my first post on here!
Many thanks!
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Author: Chris Card
Date: 2024-05-16 16:28
June Emerson Wind Music lists a Barenreiter Urtext edition, published 2001, edited by Dieter Klocker.
Chris
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Author: MScott
Date: 2024-05-16 16:42
Oh amazing, thanks! It didn’t come up in my google searches. Will have a look now
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Author: MScott
Date: 2024-05-16 16:49
I’ve found it thanks. Although it says this edition was edited by Klocker, it doesn’t say whether it includes the extra movement or not on the product listing anywhere I’ve found so far.
I will contact Barenreiter to find out then update here when I have a response for anyone else looking into it.
Matthew
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2024-05-22 01:13
I have that Barenreiter edition and it does not include the movement that Dieter Klocker included in his recording. From what I remember Dieter Klocker while great for researching and making his discoveries available did often add things and claim them to be originals when they weren’t.
Craig Hill might know more about this Sonate but in the first instance the Barenreiter publication is the ‘authentic’ version.
Peter Cigleris
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